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<H1>Interesting news, and some questions</H1>
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<STRONG>From:</STRONG> Torsten Howard (<A HREF="mailto:torsten@inetw.net?Subject=Re:%20Interesting%20news,%20and%20some%20questions&In-Reply-To=<38D6ACFC.17CF221A@inetw.net>"><EM>torsten@inetw.net</EM></A>)<BR>
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<STRONG>Date:</STRONG> Mon Mar 20 2000 - 14:58:04 PST
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Boy, am I having fun. I can't stop.
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<P>Anyways, found something new. Before running scanimage, when I cat the usb devices file, there are two entries below the produce 'P:' markde 'S:' . These two lines contain
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Manufacturer=EPSON
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Produce=Perfection636
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I assume these are free-form strings stored in the scanner. The devices text is returned immediately.
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<P>During the command 'scanimage -v -d epson', the devices text is returned immediately, but the two 'S:' lines are not there!
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<P>During the beginning of the command 'scanimage -v -d epson:/dev/usbscanner0' the devices, with the two 'S:' lines included. Near the end of the command, there is a long delay for the devices text to retrun (~4 seconds) and the two 'S:' lines are not there again.
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<P>After running 'scanimage -v -d epson:/dev/usbscanner0', whose exact syntax causes a segmentation fault, I get the output:
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[epson] Unknown type 2 or levl /, using B3
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[epson] Extended status flag request failed
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Segmentation fault
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<P>---or---
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[epson] ident failed
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Segmentation fault
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<P>and thereafter, every time I cat the devices file, it takes several seconds to retreive the text, and the two string entries "S:" are not there anymore.
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<P>To get everything back working fast, with string entries, I must now 'rmmod scanner' and 'insmod scanner' again. Sometimes I reboot to make sure everything is clean for the insmod's. I can also power off/on the scanner, and everything returns to what seems to be normal operation.
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<P>The scanner itself seems to do nothing during all this, but after sitting awhile, the green status light will go red and flashing (necesitating a power off/on).
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<P>Anyways, here are a few questions for the knowledgeable:
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<P>Does scanimage determine the scanner identity from these 'S:' entries, as seen in the usb/devices file?
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What could the access to the scanner driver change, such that the usb susbsystem can no longer identify the scanner?
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How, exactly, are scanner identities determined? Inside each individual driver code? By standard mechanism? Are there differences between the USB/SCSI command requests (esp. for the epson)?
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<P>Oh well, it's ten pm and I must study for dynamics test. More on this later.
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<P>Thanks for any and all help in advance,
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Torsten
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<P><P><P>Torsten Howard wrote:
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<EM>> Ok, More update.
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<EM>> I have finally managed to compile 2.3.99-pre1 kernel. I had to remove some stuff to get it to compile, then had to remove damn near everything else to get it to boot. I had about five stops: just after unpacking, ppp, fd, partition check, daemon startup. Blah.
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<EM>> Well, the good news is I can mount /proc/bus/usb and get the two files, devices and drivers (after insmod usbcore, insmod usb-uhci). I can plug in the Epson, and I can see lines added to the devices files, with the correct manufacturer EPSON and product PERFECTION 636. I can insmod scanner, and the devices files goes from "no driver"--->"usbscanner", so I know the scanner module is claiming the epson.
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<EM>> I am unable to do 'insmod scanner vendor=04b0 product=0101' because insmod complains about a 'b'. When I change 'b' to 'B', it complains about 'B'. What, insmod no read hex?
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<EM>> I also know that the scanimage is doing something to the scanner driver, because when I try to rmmod scanner, it tells me device or resource is busy, but only when scanimage is running (and scanimage takes forever! several minutes)
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<EM>> Anyways, the bad news is, the scanner still won't work. Here's the log of the commands I tried:
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<EM>> vaio:~# scanimage -d epson
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<EM>> vaio:~# scanimage -v -d epson
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<EM>> [epson] ident failed
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<EM>> scanimage: open of device epson failed: Invalid argument
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<EM>> vaio:~# scanimage -v -d /dev/usbscanner0
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<EM>> scanimage: open of device /dev/usbscanner0 failed: Invaild argument
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<EM>> //note - this command executed immediate
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<EM>> vaio:~# scanimage -v -d epson:/dev/usbscanner0
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<EM>> [epson] ident failed
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<EM>> Segmentation fault
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<EM>> vaio:~# scanimage -v -d epson
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<EM>> [epson] ident failed
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<EM>> scanimage: open of device epson failed: Invalid argument
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<EM>> vaio:~# scanimage -v -d epson:/dev/usbscanner0
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<EM>> [epson] ident failed
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<EM>> Segmentation fault
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<EM>> vaio:~#
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<EM>> If anyone has been able to get the epson perfection, or similar model up and running, please let me know which kernel and usb-backport (or development kernel) you are using. Any info is much appreciated.
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<EM>> Thanks in advance,
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<EM>> Torsten
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<EM>> Torsten Howard wrote:
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<EM>> > Hello,
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<EM>> >
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<EM>> > This is a short addendum. I've noticed that when the scanner green light is on and steady, the scanner carriage light is also on. When I first power on/plug in/replug in the scanner, and all is ready,
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<EM>> > 'scanimage -d epson' returns
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<EM>> > [epson] error in receive - status = 62
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<EM>> > [epson] error in receive - status = 5
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<EM>> > [epson] ident failed
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<EM>> > scanimage: open of device epson failed: Invalid argument
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<EM>> >
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<EM>> > the second time I run this command, before printing anything out, the green light changed red and flashed quickly, and the scanner carriage light goes out (!).
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<EM>> > The programs seems to never quit, and the printer indefinitely flashing the red light. I can now control-C out of the scanimage program (normally the scanimage program doesn't respond to control-C) and power off/on the scanner.
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<EM>> >
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<EM>> > Torsten
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<EM>> > Torsten Howard wrote:
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<EM>> > >
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<EM>> > > Hello,
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<EM>> > >
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<EM>> > > Please help. My epson scanner is more stubborn than Windows' registry. I'll try to
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<EM>> > > list everything I've tried and done very concisely and explicitly.
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<EM>> > > Much thanks for any help,
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<EM>> > > Torsten Howard
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<EM>> > >
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<EM>> > > The Scanner
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<EM>> > > -----------
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<EM>> > > Epson Perfection 636U
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<EM>> > > USB interface
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<EM>> > > Supported by SANE backend
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<EM>> > >
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<EM>> > > The Computer
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<EM>> > > ------------
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<EM>> > > Sony VAIO 505TR laptop
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<EM>> > > 1 USB Port
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<EM>> > > UHCI (not alternate)
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<EM>> > > Kernels used: 2.2.13, 2.2.14, 2.3.99pre1
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<EM>> > > Distribution: Slackware 7.0
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<EM>> > >
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<EM>> > > The Problem
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<EM>> > > -----------
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<EM>> > > When I plug the scanner in, unplug and then replug it in, power-off then power-on,
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<EM>> > > 'scanimage --list-devices' returns
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<EM>> > > [epson] error in receive - status = 62
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<EM>> > > [epson] error in receive - status = 5
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<EM>> > > [epson] ident failed
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<EM>> > > It takes ~2 min. 0.12 sec to run this command every time I run it.
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<EM>> > > A couple of times, it just prints first and third, the second and third, or just the
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<EM>> > > third lines from above.
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<EM>> > > After trying 'scanimage --list-devices' several times, eventually just
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<EM>> > > [epson] ident failed
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<EM>> > > is printed, and after a little while longer, and I'm not 100% on the error conditions
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<EM>> > > here, but it seems like one error is printed, the green ready light on the scanner
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<EM>> > > turns red and flashes quickly.
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<EM>> > > Hereafter, I must power off/power on the scanner. It seems this red light started
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<EM>> > > flashing once after the second line was printed (but no the third), and all other
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<EM>> > > times it seems the red light started flashing sometime after the scanimage program
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<EM>> > > quits, but I'm not sure. Every time I check the scanner right after the program
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<EM>> > > quits, it's light is green. But often I look back after not having checked the
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<EM>> > > scanner for awhile, and the light flashes red. Hmmmph.
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<EM>> > > What I Know
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<EM>> > > -----------
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<EM>> > > the scanner works. I can scan with printshop pro under windows 98.
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<EM>> > > when the "plug n' play" is enabled in bios, nothing works. When disabled, I get the
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<EM>> > > error mentioned above. So it remains disabled. This was done under recommendation
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<EM>> > > from Karl's homepage usb setup.
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<EM>> > > /dev/usbscanner0 was created with the command 'mknod /dev/usbscanner c 180 48'
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<EM>> > > I've tried using sane v1.0.2 and save v1.0.2 modified with the epson files (version
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<EM>> > > 20000306) from www.khk.net (Karl Heinz Kremer's page) - don't worry, I deleted all the
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<EM>> > > old files before reinstalling the new version to make sure there were no duplicate
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<EM>> > > files anywhere.
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<EM>> > > I have modified the file /usr/local/etc/sane.d/epson.conf to one have one line,
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<EM>> > > '/dev/usbscanner0'
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<EM>> > > the output of /var/log/debug prints, when I connect the scanner
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<EM>> > > ... kernel: hub.c: port 1 connection change
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<EM>> > > ... kernel: hub.c: portstatus 101, change 1, High Speed
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<EM>> > > ... kernel: hub.c: portstatus 103, change 0, High Speed
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<EM>> > > ... kernel: hub.c: kmalloc IF c696d2c0, numif 1
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<EM>> > > ... kernel: usb.c: usbscanner driver claimed interface c696d2c0
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<EM>> > > so I know the scanner is being recognized and initialized, and it appears the scanner
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<EM>> > > driver is grabbing the interface(?)
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<EM>> > > 'scanimage -d epson' command returns
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<EM>> > > [epson] error in receive - status = 62
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<EM>> > > [epson] error in receive - status = 5
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<EM>> > > [epson] ident failed
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<EM>> > > scanimage: open of device epson failed: Invalid argument
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<EM>> > > 'xscanimage epson' returns a dialog box, something like 'failed to open epson' and
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<EM>> > > [epson] ident failed
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<EM>> > > scanimage: no SANE devices found
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<EM>> > > I have used the kernel 2.2.13 patched with the usb backport (for 2.2.14) and I have
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<EM>> > > used the 2.2.14 kernel with the usb-backport (for 2.2.14). Both have the exact same
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<EM>> > > errors and outputs. I have compiled both as modules, and directly in the kernel.
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<EM>> > > Kernels are compiled with usbcore, usbdevfs, usbscanner, and uhci (not "alternate").
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<EM>> > > Also, I was sure to make modules and make modules_install because I can insmod usbcore
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<EM>> > > and insmod usb-uhci and insmod scanner....
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<EM>> > > I can mount /proc/bus/usb but it never ever shows any files (devices, etc).
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<EM>> > > I have tried the 2.3.99pre1 kernel, but it failed to boot. It printed something like,
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<EM>> > > 'Uncompressing kernel......... OK, booting" and hung right there. I made very few
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<EM>> > > configuration changed, and even set 'vga=normal' in lilo.conf (and ran lilo) to make
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<EM>> > > sure kernel could use the display, but it still failed to boot.
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<EM>> > > --
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<EM>> > > Source code, list archive, and docs: <A HREF="http://www.mostang.com/sane/">http://www.mostang.com/sane/</A>
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