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<title>sane-devel: Re: SANE frames</title>
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<h1>Re: SANE frames</h1>
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<b>Tom Martone</b> (<a href="mailto:tom@martoneconsulting.com"><i>tom@martoneconsulting.com</i></a>)<br>
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<i>Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:07:52 -0400</i>
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<li> <b>Next message:</b> <a href="0186.html">Nick Lamb: "Re: SANE V2"</a>
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<li> <b>Previous message:</b> <a href="0184.html">Stephen Williams: "Re: SANE frames"</a>
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<li> <b>Next in thread:</b> <a href="0209.html">Oliver Rauch: "Re: SANE frames"</a>
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Nick Lamb wrote:<br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Tom Martone wrote:</i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> > SANE_FRAME_ASCII: The frame contains a stream of ASCII text.</i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> Wouldn't this normally be associated with an image? If so it might be</i><br>
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<i>> better to do this as multi-frame, with the ASCII frame followed by</i><br>
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<i>> zero or more image frames as appropriate. Then you can explain in the</i><br>
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<i>> standard that a frontend is free to throw away the ASCII frame, and</i><br>
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<i>> hope there are image frames following it..?</i><br>
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Yes, it would be associated with an image in almost all cases. I <br>
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thought that the multi-frame approach would be a bit more difficult<br>
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for the front-ends to deal with, as well as more difficult to specify.<br>
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I was planning to leave the chore of associating the barcodes with the<br>
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images as a separate issue handled outside of the frontend. The<br>
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images and text frames arrive in a predictable order (as defined by<br>
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the backend documentation), so the association could be done later<br>
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as a separate step. Not that it is all that important, but the text<br>
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frame with the barcodes is being sent last by the bh backend.<br>
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<i>> Some image file formats (Oliver, are you listening?) even make some</i><br>
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<i>> provision for storing short-ish ASCII streams with the image, in a</i><br>
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<i>> more or less general way.</i><br>
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Yes, this is certainly true with TIFF images, for instance. I think<br>
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Oliver is putting some commentary in some of the formats, if I remember<br>
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correctly. Then it would seem more valuable to get the ASCII and the<br>
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images, synced in a multi-frame. <br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> > SANE_FRAME_RAW: The frame contains a stream of bytes (...)</i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> I don't like this much, as everyone already knows, but if it must go</i><br>
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<i>> into SANE 2.0 then I'd prefer that it was numbered away from the rest</i><br>
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<i>> of the sequence in the enumerated type. I'd also like wording in the</i><br>
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<i>> documentation which asks backend creators to suggest new frame types</i><br>
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<i>> when necessary rather than using FRAME_RAW.</i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> Perhaps -1 or 65535 or something? I think a signed integer is used for</i><br>
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<i>> storing this value, but I might be wrong...</i><br>
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Yes, it does seem to be an odd, useless, debugging sort of thing. I guess<br>
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what is intended here is to have a way to send data through without the<br>
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frontend mangling it in any way. In a way, a frontend should handle<br>
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unexpected frame types in the same way as they would handle RAW. <br>
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For scanimage, I think it should write both RAW and unexpected frame types<br>
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out to stdout without putting a header on it. Maybe for the unexpected<br>
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frame type, it issues a warning. <br>
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What the gui's will do is another matter. For RAW, they should write <br>
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it to their output file without a header. But for an unexpected frame <br>
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type they might want to have a dialog with the interactive user, and let<br>
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the user have control.<br>
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I guess it's a mechanism where the backends can deliver the data, while<br>
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the FRAME definition and incorporation into the standard are taking<br>
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place. Then the frontends and middle-pieces evolve to find useful ways<br>
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to handle the new frame formats, and then the backend sets the newly<br>
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defined and sanctioned frame type and the value added features from the<br>
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frontend kicks in.<br>
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I agree about some wording in the documentation suggesting having <br>
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well defined frame types and discouraging the abuse of the RAW format.<br>
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Maybe something like this?<br>
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SANE_FRAME_RAW: The frame contains a stream of bytes that should not<br>
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be interpreted by the frontend in any way. This is a single frame<br>
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format. The values specified in the SANE_Parameters structure <br>
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should be: depth = 0, pixels_per_line = 0, bytes_per_line = 1, and <br>
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lines should contain the number of bytes in the frame or -1 if this <br>
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is not known a priori.<br>
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NOTE: Backends are encouraged to use a descriptive format whenever<br>
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possible. The use of the SANE_FRAME_RAW format should not be a <br>
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substitute for adding the necessary additional frame formats to the<br>
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SANE standard.<br>
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I guess we are in the process of seeing just how burdensome adding some<br>
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new frame formats will be.<br>
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<p>
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Tom Martone<br>
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<li> <b>Maybe in reply to:</b> <a href="0173.html">Stephen Williams: "SANE frames"</a>
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<li> <b>Next in thread:</b> <a href="0209.html">Oliver Rauch: "Re: SANE frames"</a>
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