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<h1>Re: SANE &amp; exposure times</h1>
<b>Andreas Rick</b> (<a href="mailto:rickand@gemse.fr"><i>rickand@gemse.fr</i></a>)<br>
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Didier Carlier wrote:<br>
<i>&gt; </i><br>
<i>&gt; <a href="mailto:ewald@pobox.com">ewald@pobox.com</a> said:</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; The main use is for scanning negatives. For negatives, density of blue</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; is ~3x that of red, and that of green is ~2x that of red (hence the</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; orange color of the negative mask). So if you scan with 1:1:1 exposure</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; time, the green channel will only use 1/2 of it's full range. In other</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; words, you have lost one bit of what is basically your luminance. The</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; blue channel is filled for only 1/3 and this poor blue definition can</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; also be very visible to the human eye.</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt;</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; All this can be solved by scanning with a 1:2:3 exposure so that the</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; full range of all channels is utilized.</i><br>
<i>&gt; </i><br>
<i>&gt; If I look at the RGB values after a scan of a negative, the values of all</i><br>
<i>&gt; channels go from 0 to 255, so I'm not quite sure of what you are trying to do.</i><br>
<i>&gt; </i><br>
<i>&gt; Putting the multiple scan issue aside you can't get more than 8 bits of</i><br>
<i>&gt; resolution per channel so that you don't loose definition on the blue channel,</i><br>
<i>&gt; you loose dynamic range.</i><br>
<i>&gt; I.e. you do not extract the clearer blue details, but you do keep the full 8 bit</i><br>
<i>&gt; color resolution for the dynamic range that was scanned.</i><br>
<i>&gt; Am I missing something here ?</i><br>
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I think you are right: When scanning negatives with the Coolscan scanners<br>
the backend tells the scanner it is doing a negatives and the<br>
scanner adapts its exposure range to the right levels for negatives.<br>
That's why you don't get the same image when scanning a negative<br>
using "positive" as a backend-option and inverting the image yourself.<br>
I havn't tested the quality of this exposure adaptation throughout<br>
a significant image base of negatives yet, but I didn't have any problems with<br>
it either.<br>
Perhabs this is different for the HP-Photosmart?<br>
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So without doing multiple scanning there is no way of getting more<br>
than 8-Bit out of the LS-20, 10 bit out of the LS-30 or 12 bit out of the<br>
LS-2000 and there doesn't seem to be much neccessity to change<br>
exposure values to get these 8/10/12 bit.<br>
Can the other users of these Scanners confirm this hypothesis?<br>
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Apart from that I still think it is a neat idea to have a <br>
calibrated system where you can figure out the optical density<br>
from the RGB values (but I know it is difficult to achieve).<br>
When scanning color images, optical density allone is not enough,<br>
we need to know what color (wavelength) was used to do the<br>
scanning and what is the detector efficiency as a function of<br>
wavelength.<br>
We may need to say what is "standard Red" what is Green and what is Blue<br>
and try to do a color space conversion from the scanners<br>
color to the standard space.<br>
I don't know too much about the subject, but I think there must be<br>
some standards allready defined that we can use.<br>
Who does know more about this.<br>
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Andreas<br>
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