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<h1>Re: Scanace NDA for your perusal.</h1>
<b>Rogier Wolff</b> (<a href="mailto:R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl"><i>R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl</i></a>)<br>
<i>Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:13:57 +0200 (MET DST)</i>
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Hugo van der Kooij wrote:<br>
<i>&gt; </i><br>
<i>&gt; On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Dave Restall - System Administrator wrote:</i><br>
<i>&gt; </i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; Hi,</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; </i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; Attached is the NDA in PDF format. Apart from it having a few minor</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; problems in the translation to English, it seems ok. I have a few</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; reservations about one of the phrases :-</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; </i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; Paragraph 2 : "...Confidant will not create new or derivative works, or</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; manufacture on the basis of the PIE information"</i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; </i><br>
<i>&gt; &gt; Isn't the driver a "derivative work" ?</i><br>
<i>&gt; </i><br>
<i>&gt; YES. In the sense that you 'manufacture' a driver based on the PIE</i><br>
<i>&gt; information. The best source for this is still their legal department.</i><br>
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Hugo, (and Dave) read the NDA. This clause is meant to prevent the<br>
information from spreading:<br>
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You claim to need the information for THIS, and then start also using<br>
it for THAT. <br>
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In this case "THIS" is defined as "writing and maintaining a SANE<br>
driver for the PIE scanner". (The stuff in the NDA is slightly<br>
convoluted. I suggest you (Dave) propose this as a replacement) "THAT"<br>
could be something like developing an NT driver for the things. Or<br>
writing a driver for a competing MS product, when they have promised<br>
MS not to allow that to happen. <br>
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Dave, it is perfectly normal that you have a few iterations about a<br>
"contract" before both parties like it. By the time they are editing<br>
contracts, they are sufficiently interested that they won't back out<br>
on a "hey, if I read this carefully, it prevents me from doing what we<br>
agreed on I'd be doing". <br>
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<i>&gt; Make a small list of questions they only have to answer with Yes or No and</i><br>
<i>&gt; let them sort it out.</i><br>
<i>&gt; </i><br>
<i>&gt; The questions that pop up are:</i><br>
<i>&gt; </i><br>
<i>&gt; 1. May a driver be developed based on this information?</i><br>
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Yes. The paragraph before article one says so. <br>
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<i>&gt; 2. May a third party use this driver without the author of the driver</i><br>
<i>&gt; informing PIE or have that third party sign a similar NDA agreement?</i><br>
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Yes. The information that PIE gives Dave is restricted. The NDA says<br>
that the purpose of PIE giving information to dave is specifically to<br>
develop the SANE driver. <br>
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<i>&gt; 3. May a third party have access to source code of this driver without</i><br>
<i>&gt; the author of that driver informing PIE or have that third party sign a</i><br>
<i>&gt; similar NDA agreement?</i><br>
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I think Dave has talked this over with PIE. If I'd suspect that they<br>
are stupid and TELL me that they really know what GPL means, but in<br>
fact would be surprised if I released source code, I'd just silently<br>
go ahead, and wait for "trouble". In the current world, you cannot<br>
claim that you don't know what GPL is. In case that you've been<br>
confronted with it you should've found out what it means and that's<br>
"readily available".<br>
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Clause 7.3 says that the Taiwan law will apply. Everybody wants their<br>
local law to apply. Just say that this is unfair to you and that you'd<br>
rather have it that YOUR local law would apply. But you recognize that<br>
this would put them in the awkward situation. How about using a<br>
law-system that is foreign to both of you. <br>
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In that case I can recommend the Dutch law. "Fairness" and<br>
"reasonable" are stuff that makes a difference over here. E.G. the guy<br>
who had a contract in place that said he'd have to pay a penalty if he<br>
didn't deliver his goods in time. Then some truck drivers started a<br>
strike and he couldn't deliver. He did everything he could but wasn't<br>
able to deliver on time. The penalty clause would've bankrupted him<br>
instantly, but the courts ruled that he had done everything he<br>
could.... <br>
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Roger.<br>
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